Mad Sweeney

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  should there be a national coming out day for JWs leaving the borg?

  by zengalileo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i got the idea from what harvey milk did for the gay movement.

  i am tired of hearing these stories about people staying jws while scared to admit they don't believe in it anymore.

  if you saw the movie milk, then you know the argument.

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  I can see both sides of this. In fact, this is not a new idea. I and others have mentioned something similar several times.

  Though Black Sheep makes a good point, I think it would hurt the Borg more by becoming more and more public and organized with our opposition. He's correct that it probably wouldn't affect those IN in a way we would like because it would reinforce their perception of "opposers" and increase their paranoia that the enemy is in their midst.

  However, we could hurt the WT more overall by such public movements that would A)educate the public about the Borg, discouraging and reducing the number of converts; and B)educate the DFd, DAd, and faded ones who still believe it's "the truth" and are still living under a measure of cult mind control so that they never return to the cult.

  What I would like to see is a specific date set aside each year that faders and undercover dissidents who plan to leave that year, ALL leave on that same date. I wouldn't like to encourage any of the conscious class to leave before they're ready, for the reasons Black Sheep gives in this thread, BUT IF you are going to walk out on the Borg, why not walk out on the SAME DATE as the rest of the conscious leavers each year?

  I would suggest Nisan 14 as the date.
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  Is anybody trying to learn the truth of the bible after leaving JW?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/bibles-buried-secrets.html
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  What is the WT's current stance on the age of the earth?

  by popcorn_eater in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the reason i ask is i remember reading quite recently, in i think an "awake" mag about creation, that other churches confuse people by insisting on young earth creationism, which causes people to lose their faith.

  the magazine was going off on groups and churches who insist on teaching science that conflicts with the bible (....).

  i thought the wt was a proponent of this young earth creationism as well.

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  They play both sides. Some of the heavies still believe the 7 days of 7,000 years each, meaning the earth is approximately 49,000 years old (they mention it in talks now and then). Others take the more rational view that the Watchtower magazine has stated that the creative days are of unknown length and could be (the appropriately vague) eons of time.

  Never have they said what science knows: that the universe is around 14 billion years old and that our solar system is under 4 billion.
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  The REAL atheist meaning of life . . .

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there isn't one and that's a really good thing.

  let me illustrate;.

  you are an artist, you pick up a new canvas and place it on your easel.

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  It isn't that there ARE NO RULES for living our life, PSac. It is that the rules are determined BY US OURSELVES, based on OUR OWN reason.
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  The general atheist meaning of life

  by mankkeli in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have posted this on another forum where i mentor on spirituality and i am posting here again.. when things like spirituality are no longer present in one's life, they may or may not stop looking for meaning.

  meaning is an essential part of human psychology, though some feel the need for it less than others, and even a few seemingly don't at all.

  there also seems to be a trend that occurs: in the lack of a meaning of life, the brain tries to find one, because it sees a purpose for everything.. .

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  Why give Alice the time of day? Its premise that the atheist meaning of life is survival is incorrect and so there is absolutely NO REASON to discuss its post further.

  Plus it's a troll.
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  DO YOU BELIEVE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES "SHUNNING" OF MINORS IS CHILD ABUSE?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been reading countless heartbreaking accounts on this site of children of jehovah's witnesses being "disfellowshipped" and shunned by entire families, their congregations, basicly everyone they have ever known for simply questioning their parent's religion!!.

  some have been tossed out of family homes to live in cars!!!

  this is not christian.

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  I'm getting sick and tired of reading people say, "they don't shun them if they're under 18." Pardon my Irish but BULL SHIT.

  The parents MAY allow them to remain in the home until they are 18, but EVERYONE ELSE THEY WERE EVER CLOSE TO SHUNS THEM AS PER BORG POLICY!

  And I'm a bit surprised at your comments, Sir82. Disfellowshipping for ANY REASON is HATEFUL and abusive. It doesn't matter if the kid is 12, 15, 17, or even 37. It is a HATEFUL and ABUSIVE practice.
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  What was your most DISTURBING event as an elder ? (Per T.O.S. no full names please).

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i'll start the ball rolling.

  dealing with kids in any type of judicial manner.

  i would do everything i could to get parents to "deal with it-kindly" at home.

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  Someone asked on the previous page how an ectopic pregnancy can become a judicial matter.

  I don't know of this specific case but I think the recommendation the doctor makes to a woman in such a situation is to abort the fetus asap since there is NO WAY it can survive. A woman can be DFd for having an abortion. That could be what happened there.
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  What was the last meeting you ever went to?

  by lilbluekitty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i figured out it's been 4 months and 5 days since my last meeting ever.

  july 10th, it was a sunday.

  i hadn't been there in 2 months or so and decided to see if anyone noticed i'd been gone.

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  Hang in there, boc. Hope you get to fade or leave soon and on your own terms.

  I don't have the date memorized but it was early March 2010 on a Sunday. I just walked out during the middle song and never went back.
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  Lessons the Governing Body should take from the Joe Paterno scandal (but probably won't)

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  1) when confronted with evidence of child molestation, doing the bare legal minimum is not enough morally.

  2) a carefully honed and managed reputation can be destroyed literally overnight if immoral actions / inactions are brought to light.

  3) no matter how "high up" someone is, he is still accountable for his actions / inactions, and will have to pay consequences for wrong choices.

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  Mad Sweeney

  You ladies feel free to stray all you like, ok?

  By the way, Zid, are we FB friends? I get the JWN screennames and the FB names mixed up.
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  Ex-JW Women website!

  by Chemical Emotions in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just created a website for jw and ex-jw women.

  please visit it and tell me what you think (and maybe sign up hehe)!

  it's a work in progress.

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  Mad Sweeney

  Mad Sweeney Wow. I didn't know a site like that existed.

  It doesn't. That's what I thought THIS was going to be.